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  1. Sue Foster has some minor seepage with both surgeries. Just like in humans wounds do seep some. The sutured area does still look a little too red in the photo but overall it looks good to me. I am sure the vet will be impressed with how well you are doing with Celt and with Celt himself. One exercise I did that was very simple for getting Foster to put more weight on the leg while standing was slowly made her shift her weight side to side in the backend by just shifting her body weight. I know after my knee surgeries it just felt weird to use the leg and to trust it. The weird walk you mention was actual normal for Foster for the first couple weeks with the first surgery. She had a ton of atrophy so the muscles weren't able to control the leg movements as well. The other knee TPLO we started PT type stuff from day 3 including laser. Again, Foster was weird in she was putting a ton of weight on her surgical legs the day after surgery which was also bad since she had a seroma or whatever it is called from overuse. You are doing a great job with this journal. It will help others down the road.
  2. Sue - let me see if I can explain the stretch I was referring to... I would have one hand at/above the knee area to hold it steady and would use the other hand to push that joint (hock) upwards. I believe it stretches the achilles tendon which can tighten up horribly if not stretched. Does that make more sense? I am not sure all rehab specialists have folks do this one because if you do it wrong you can cause problems. Our rehab specialist and ortho vet strongly suggested I do it and after showing me how to do it, figured I would do it correctly. Like I said, it is kind of hard for me to explain.
  3. I started Foster on laser the week after surgery. It really helped limit the atrophy. Of course had sutures and not staples so we really had to keep her more quiet. That much bruising is actually quite normal. You will be amazed at how well Celt will probably get around by this weekend.
  4. You do ROM exercises with TPLO as well. The one to be the most careful with is stretching the foot joint (the one connected to the leg - can't remember the name right now). This is very important because lack of use will cause it to lose some mobility in that joint. The stretch for it needs to be done correctly or you can cause damage to the surgical knee. You have to hold it a certain way which I can't explain in writing. My brain is tired Truthfully, I found the 3-5 days were not too bad. It was once Foster felt better that it got harder. She was walking almost normal the day after surgery. It did get a seroma (?) from overuse but that was easily fixed by icing and trying even harder to keep her quiet. She also busted her stitches during the first surgery and had to be glued and stapled back together but there was no bleeding involved and she was still walking normal. Basically this was the only things that went wrong that you could see. Yes she slipped a couple times, yes she even jumped up and off the couch a couple times but it never caused an issue. We did limit her but she was a cattledog afterall and had her own thoughts at times. I am telling you this so you know that you probably won't be perfect on keeping Celt quiet but that is ok. It will take a lot more than you think to mess up the knee after the surgery. Foster went back to playing flyball 6 months after the right knee TPLO, 2 years later had TPLO on the left and was playing flyball again 6 months later. By this time she was 9 yrs old and her times in flyball were still pretty good (she only lost about .2 of a second). Give Celt an extra cookie from us.
  5. Also be prepared to cut back on the food intake because of there will be such a lack of exercise they can gain weight. Plan to cut back the amount. Things will be fine. Foster was walking on the surgical legs the day after surgery. Also icing the area is a good thing. You may want to make sure to have some ice packs available.
  6. It needs to be checked out. It could be an abscess or oral cancer.
  7. I had TPLO on my ACD - both knees. I have posted before about it. I recommend the TPLO for an active dog.
  8. Get some kongs and load them with something she likes and freeze them. Then you put them in the crate for some down time. Maybe get some bully sticks or some other chew and put those in the crate when you can monitor the pup. At night, you can also try putting the crate on something higher and sleep with your fingers through the crate door. Take an old shirt you don't care about, wear it all day and then put it in the crate. Never punish the pup by putting in the crate.
  9. My new puppy never really cried at night in his crate. He slept 8 hours from Day 1 at night. Now during the day when I left, he screamed off and on for about 30 minutes. My husband was still home so I know how long. After about a week he pretty much stopped that as well. At night, his crate is within easy reach of me as I did sleep with my fingers hooked to teh crate door and Trip would snuggle up against them and fall asleep. He is now 11 weeks old and this past weekend he was in his crate in the back of the trailer and never made a peep. Knock on wood, he has been a dream crate training and being a social butterfly.
  10. Glad it was not the CCL. My experience with the TPLO was having it done on my 7 yr old cattledog and then on the other knee at 9 yr old. We had a great experience both times. She was able to come back and compete in flyball without issue. She was retired at the age of 12. She did end up having an allergic reaction to the plate/screws from the second surgery so we removed it when she was 12 (just after her retirement from flyball). For the most part her knees never really have her any problems. We lost her in March which was 9 months after an oral melanoma diagnosis and another tumor that showed up along her spine. I would do TPLO again in a heart beat. We did spend months doing rehab exercises...
  11. Tempe's first episode was on a 70 degree day, no humidity and the only thing that was different was a new frisbee which got her extremely excited. I think exciteability plays a part in the episodes. She was over the top happy being an idiot. I only threw the frisbee a handful of times. She seemed fine. We went inside and within minutes she was collapsing. I thought she was overheeated so did things to cool her down. Within 10 minutes she was back to normal - walking, trotting, mentally, etc... she was still panting heavily but all her faculties were back. In contrast I took her out to play frisbee a couple days ago and it was almost 80 degrees and seemed quite warm. I threw the frisbee about 15 times and other than breathing extremely heavy she did not have an episode.
  12. One of the key signs is a "quick" recovery with BCC compared to overheating. Many dogs will recover from a BCC episode within 10 minutes and act like nothing happened. With overheating recovery time could be hours.
  13. Don't let her have so much freedom. Tether her to you if you are not going to use a crate. If she doesn't potty outside then she is tethered to you so you can catch her when she may need to go. Block off parts of the house so she doesn't have free reign to the different rooms. If you can't watch her then she needs to be locked up. Personally, I would get her a crate. Also, make sure to use a good cleaner to clean the area when she goes potty there. She may still be able to smell it. Another thought is to also clean up her poop and put it outside and maybe she will smell it there and start to realize that she is to go outside.
  14. There have been a few recent passings of beloved dogs lately. It seems more than usual. I had to put down my 13.5 yr old cattledog on March 26. I am at peace with my decision but it still breaks my heart. I still well up with tears when I see her pictures, think about her or someone asks how I am doing. Now this is a dog that I did spend a lot of money on between injuries and orthopedic surgeries when she was 7 yrs and 9 yrs of age. She was still very healthy at that time so I did the surgeries. Now may not have if she was older or had other health issues. 9 months ago she was diagnosed with oral melanoma. We chose to remove the tumor but not treat. I wanted a quality of life and not quantity. My biggest fear was that I would wait too long to euthanize. She probably only suffered for 2 days or so since it happened over the weekend and I chose that Monday morning I would take her in. My vets thanked me for thinking about HER and not myself. They knew it was time just by looking at her. The sparkle was gone from eyes. She went so peacefully and so quickly. I truly believe she was ready to say goodbye but also think I waited a day or 2 too long. My biggest fear of waiting too long is because I did wait too long almost 8 yrs ago with Charlotte. She was diagnosed with GI Tract Lymphoma (very aggressive form) and liver failure. She seemed ok, not great, so we chose not to treat since there was no chance for remission (been to the vets many time for illness and a lot of money - this was the 3rd suspected cancer diagnosis but this time it was). We took her home and said we would make the decision when she refused to eat. You have to understand she was a food whore. Loved food so we thought this was a good thing to use. I was so wrong. I refused to see how sick she was the last month of her life. She could not even go for a walk without getting horribly sick and vomiting blood. The sparkle was gone from her eye but I didn't see it. She basically could only walk enough to get food and drink. She would lay in my lap and just sleep. I just was not ready to really see what was happening. The hardest part was she was only 4.5 yrs old. She was so young. Once morning she turned away from breakfast so I knew it was time since this was what we said would tell us. I made the appt and took her in. The problem was that because of her organ failures the drugs weren't metabolizing properly. The screaming at the top of her lungs from pain (even the vets felt it was the drugs actually burning through her) was horrifying. My husband and I both were in tears, the vets were in tears, the techs, receptionists were all in tears. They ended up closing the clinic for 30 minutes because owners of animals were getting upset. Yeah the whole process for this one euthanization took 45 minutes and about 43 minutes of that involved the dog screaming in pain and a ton of meds trying to find one that would let her sleep. If I would have chosen to euthanize sooner the process would not have been so traumatic to all involved. I still have nightmares about it and that was 8 yrs ago. There were so many signs that she was ready much sooner but I refused to see them. She was my heart dog. After this I decided I would never let my animals suffer like that again. My selfishness caused her and many others great anguish. I now follow a better life quality monitor: Pick 3 things your animal LOVES to do and when they can no longer do 2 of them then it is most likely time. Foster loved to play, loved to eat and loved to just hang out. Earlier in the week she was playing just slowly which is, she was eating well and normal for her and would sort of hang out but was sleeping more and more each day. By Saturday morning she could hardly walk, could not even stand up easily or lie down without pain, couldn't squat to pee without pain and she could not play, she also ate her food so slowly which was unlike her and add in at this point unless we interacted directly with her all she did was sleep and look miserable. In her case, she lost all 3 things she loved at one time. For things like orthopedic issues in a healthy dog I am ok with paying the money but for cancers that even with treatment may only give you another 6-12 months on average I won't do it. Yes your dog could be the "rare" one but then again they could be ill/sick for a good portion of that time so how did you do this for them if You are the one making them sick by treatments. I won't give advice to anyone that asks about when to euthanize but if they want to hear my stories about it I will tell them. Everyone needs to make their own decision about it and no one has right to make anyone feel guilty about it. We all have our stories for and against this stuff and I think for me I am just very sensitive about it because of Charlotte so I would prefer to euthanize early if I have to instead of too late and letting the dog suffer. I may not agree with someone's decision but I respect it is there decision though.
  15. I know in horses it is around $2000-4000 per treatment. A friend does it with her horses and we just had the discussion yesterday. Luckily her horses are heavily insured and insurance is paying for some of it.
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    Nancy I totally forgot that quote. That is awesome you still found it handy. Foster was special and is missed but I know she is better off now. Thanks everyone for your thoughts. It does suck but I would not trade it for anything because I love my dogs and will always them.
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    Foster may not have been a border collie but she was an australian cattledog. So I figure that still counts. I had to make the decision to release her from her pain yesterday as she took a turn for the worst late last week. I am a firm believer in quality over quantity and her quality of life sucked by Saturday. Foster was my first flyball dog and introduced me the wonderful world of dogsports. I started flyball because she needed a serious outlet. She came off a working farm and had the energy and intelligence that made us realize she needed more and well cattle was not something we could provide. Because of flyball I found Charlotte whom we lost about 7.5 years ago from GI Tract Lymphoma and she was only 4 yrs old. Foster and Charlotte made up my "handles" like site names, email, etc... (FosChar). I will keep the handle but I no longer have FosChar in my life. Foster loved her flyball. She came back from TPLO on one knee when she was 7 yrs and the second knee at 9 yrs and continued to play flyball until a year ago at the age of 12.5 yrs of age. She had to have plates removed in one of the legs last March from a raging infection/reaction. Then back in June/July she was diagnosed with Oral Melanoma which we had removed. Up until recently she was still able to play and seemed to enjoy life just at a much slower rate. I think the Oral Melanoma got her in the end though. She had new masses/tumors coming up and she was most likely in kidney failure the last couple days. She could barely walk or stand any more. We did right by her and ended the suffering but damn the hole in my heart is huge. She was mainly my husband's dog but in flyball she was all mine. She was awesome and always gave 150% at everything ever asked of her. She will be missed by many but she is now reunited with Charlotte at the Rainbow Bridge so in a way my "handle" does still exist just not here.
  18. I don't have credentials either but I also thought the floor could be an issue. I also "think" I noticed that she walks on her stopper pads (low pasterns???). This is something that happens in some german shepherds that are crated too much and nutrition is lacking. Check out low pasterns in german shepherds and you can see some video and pictures. It may be totally different and I may not really be seeing what I think I am seeing. It was a little hard to tell. If I remember correctly with exercise and proper nutrition some of the GSDs improved.
  19. You could also look at making treats. There are some recipes out there with pumpkin and grain free. My dogs love the peanut butter grain free treats I make. You may also want to think about adding a pro-biotic to the diet in general.
  20. I am more in the country and work in the city. Even though I only work part time, my commute is normally 1 hour plus each way. I basically only use the dogwalker to give my dogs a break. My 2 older dogs are not in crates during the day. The others are in crates during the day. 2 of those can be left out of the crate which I do sometimes but I want the older dogs to have some peace and quiet Again I would not be someone you are geared towards. I agree with Laura that if your husband is your backup then he should be on the meet and greet. If you are doing some training with the client dogs I think many will be happy to have someone help. I know I prefer to train a certain way but I am more experienced and kind of set in my ways. Many pet folks that will definitely like the extra help. The only you may need to do periodically is actually show them in person what you are doing and what they should be doing so the dog is not getting conflicting information so for these clients I would say you need to find a way to schedule time with the owners.
  21. I use a dogwalker and have had issues in the past. 1. I am very lenient and don't expect much since I have 5 dogs and if she is extremely busy it is ok to miss me but she must let me know. She has missed a few without telling me. I finally had to get a little crappy about it and she is better. 2. I only expect a potty break and some loving so she does not spend much time here which is also fine. 3. You should have a dead set time for cancellations (same day) without a charge. 4. How do you plan to bill? My dogwalker charges some people weekly but those of us that have been around a while are billed monthly. This makes life much easier being billed monthly or even bi-weekly. 5. Other than the GPS how do you plan to let folks know how the dogs did that day? I love the GPS idea but also really like the handwritten note. This way I know she really did come in the house. No note = not being paid for that days' service. 6. You may want to think about making sure the form they fill out has any food allergies listed. My dogwalker normally does not have anyone else but at times she has a backup person and sometimes that person is trying to be sweet but brings treats my dogs cannot have. 7. You need to have a backup person just in case. If you end up sick or need a vacation you need a backup person. Problem is I don't know this person which I hate. I have a fear aggressive dog and I really don't trust someone to remember how to make proper introductions - yep it has happened. 8. Truthfully, you may be getting into the "niche" side of things but I really doubt I would pay much more than what I would someone who does it all. Yes you are doing double the time than most (at least here and not sure it is worth it) but the economy makes it hard to pay much more than I am now. I even cut back from 3 days to 2 days starting next week plus I already get a "discount". I know I kind of sound like a downer but at the same time I give you credit. I wish you lived here as I know my dogs would love the extra attention you will provide. I hope it all works out.
  22. This is where commands play a part. A good leave it and/or stay command work well for this. When they pester the other dog you tell them leave it. If they are beside you, you make them stay. You may need to work this with the dog on a leash or long line so you have some control at the beginning. If you use a long clothes line you can start cutting off pieces slowly when they get at that distance and the dog is doing what is asked. Yout cut a foot of line off and start over. I have been lax with this training with some of my dogs but a couple won't budge until released even if I am throwing a toy or whatever. You really need to work on leave it and stay. These 2 commands are worth it.
  23. I have 5 (really 4.5) dogs and thinking of adding a 6th. Ok so one is a toy poodle so I think he only counts as half a dog. Anyways, we had an ACD, BC mix and toy poodle in a townhouse. It was fine as all dogs had a good recall so we could trust them offleash in the open areas with other neighbor dogs. I now have 2 ACDs, toy poodle, BC and Borderjack in a single family home on an acre (good portion fenced). Ages, 13.5, 10.5, 7, 6 and 3. I agree with others that money and time need to be thought about. The 5th dog was a rescue who was only supposed to be a foster dog but my husband fell in love with so now my vehicle does not work out well. I bought a 2010 Equinox (had a minivan) and was like well I can use seatbelt harnesses and everything else in the back and rarely do I have more than 2 dogs with me. Well #5 needed to be in a crate which took away room from the inside and the Equinox does not work well for crating 2 dogs (one that needs a med-large crate). I spent way too much on something called a little cargo trailer that I manage by myself for traveling. I love it but could have gotten something bigger for less but I didn't need bigger and I needed something I can manuever easily. Now the eldest ACD is not going to be around much longer so even if I do get #6, we will probably be back to 5 within months. I have been holding off on a puppy because of the eldest but she is hanging in there for the most part. I just spent close to $1500 at the vets last week for 2 checkups (bloodwork, titers, heartworm stuff) and for one check of a mass. If you have multiple dogs and they are starting to age the cost may increase drastically. I do work not quite full time and have time in the evenings for training as I don't have much I do outside of work and the dogs. Main problem is I spend about 3 hrs a day in the car commuting. I pay for a dogwalker. If I decide to get #6 I will most likely have to cutback on some things to be able to afford the puppy and the initial costs. So bascially figure out how much time you have available, vehicle info, money, can you other dog(s) handle it, spouse, etc...
  24. I have 5 dogs (3 females / 2 males) The 2 ACDs are females (oldest 13.5 and youngest 3 yr). These 2 have squabbles but squabbles are much less frequent than they once were and can be stopped verbally. The last squabble happened a couple months ago outside (1st time it happened outside) and there would have been no way to stop a fight if it really broke out since I was pretty far away. Luckily yelling NO stopped all foolishness and they walked away from each other. It took some time and discipline to make it happen that way. We DO NOT leave these 2 alone loose in the house if we leave. The youngest can't be trusted outside the crate anyways. The border collie and young ACD have some issues as well with very minor squabbles (only a couple so far) and these also are stopped verbally. These 2 dogs do not acknowledge the presence of the other very often. Sad thing is they could be great playmates if they gave each other a chance. Basically, my dogs do not have to like each, get along with each other BUT must tolerate the presence of each other. I prefer to have all 5 dogs outside the crate together but play time is done with only 1-2 at a time to avoid possible fights. If I give bones, the youngest ACD is locked in a crate to avoid a fight. Normally 4 out of 5 can be left together without issue. Nali (youngest) causes issues so she is never left out of the crate unless we can watch her. The oldest ACD has some health issues so we aren't sure if that has anything to do with Nali picking on her. The issues started about 4-5 months after Nali was rescued and about the time Foster's health started to decline. I may be adding another dog in a couple months so we will see what happens at that time.
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