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  1. Louis looks sooooo much like my pup Nico, and kind of sounds like him too. He's the adult dog in the first picture and he's about 8 months old in the second picture below. He wasn't instantly into balls or swimming and now he loves both. He also developed a crouch and an eye since I first got him, and his personality quirks and hobbies continue to change.

    The bf and I are in the middle of an international move right now and he is glued to our side or jumping in the car every chance he gets.





  2. Using google book search I saw that the Encyclopedia Americana supposedly lists "border collie" in 1829. The preview of the book is limited, though, so you can't really confirm.



    Similar story for the 1898 Bureau of Animal Industry



    However, the 1829 Encyclopedia Americana International Edition, which seems to be an index, lists an entry for "border collie" that includes an illustration, in vol. 9, page 236. I don't know how to find that text.


  3. If you are interested in simply "collie" and varieties, the Oxford English dictionary lists the 14th c. as the earliest POSSIBLE appearance in English. pasted below is the entire "collie" entry. "border collie" is not in the dictionary.


    collie, colly, n.

    [Origin uncertain: it has been conjectured to be the same word as coaly ‘the colour being originally black’; cf. COLLY a. Chaucer has Colle as proper name of a dog, of which collie might possibly be dimin.]

    1. A Scotch shepherd's dog; a breed of sheepdogs remarkable for sagacity.

    [c1386 CHAUCER Nun's Pr. T. 563 Ran Colle our dogge, and Talbot, and Gerlond.] a1651 CALDERWOOD Hist. Kirk (1678) 691 (Jam.) The Bishop was nicknamed Collie, because he was so impudent and shameless, that when the Lords of the Session and Advocates went to dinner, he was not ashamed to follow them into their houses, unasked, and sat down at their table. 1721 RAMSAY Richy & Sandy, A better lad ne'er lean'd out o'er a kent, Or hounded coly o'er the mossy bent. 1787 GROSE Prov. Gl., Coley, a cur dog. N. 1786 BURNS Twa Dogs 23 The tither was a ploughman's collie, His breast was white, his touzie back Weel clad wi' coat o' glossy black; His gawcie tail, wi' upward curl, Hung owre his hurdies wi' a swirl. 1806 Edin. Even. Courant 20 Jan. (Jam.), A black and white rough coley, or shepherd's dog. 1872 G. W. DASENT Three to One II. 216 An affectionate coolie dog.


    b. fig. ‘One who follows another constantly or implicitly’ (Jam.); cf. to dog, and Sc. follow-dog.


    2. attrib. esp. in collie-dog.

    c1774 C. KEITH Farmer's Ha in Chambers Pop. Poems Sc. (1862) 30 The colly dog lies i' the nook. 1807 T. BEWICK Hist. Quadrupeds (ed. 5) 329 The Cur Dog is a trusty and useful servant to the farmer and grazier..In the North of England, this and the foregoing [The Shepherd's Dog] are called Coally Dogs. 1818 SCOTT Hrt. Midl. xliii, Turning sinners as a colley dog turns sheep. 1833 Fraser's Mag. Oct. 398 His dog Totchy, an animal of the cooly breed. 1884 York Herald 23 Aug. 4/2 A Black and Tan Collie Puppy. 1861 G. H. K. Vac. Tour 139 All books are full of the marvels of colly-dogism.

  4. We have been struggling with this for over a year with Nico. unlike the OP, he does get better when there are less cars around and we can go a consistent speed. He will freak out at the sound of the blinker. He barks, yelps, shakes and whines and is very dramatic. And that's in the crate. at first when he was uncrated he would do the things others have mentioned like bonk his head against the glass and bark out the windows. It has been very frustrating b/c he will learn other things quickly but seemed totally unable to process commands like sit/down/quiet while in the car.

    We have made some improvement overall but it has taken a really long time. We find that if he is lying down he is a lot better. He will now go down when we say so, but he tends to pop back up again quickly. So one of us drives and the other spends 100% of their time keeping him in a down-stay with treats. This is what we do for short rides. On longer rides he gets calm after about 20/30 minutes and will actually sleep.

    If there is only one of us in the car we basically have to deal with the noise b/c I can't be driving and treating him at the same time. We have not found that covering the crate makes a difference if he is lying down.

    After reading about the Thundershirt that someone else posted about, we have been thinking about trying it, as it is only 38$ and you have 45 days to determine if it is making a difference.

  5. Mick was reluctant until I threw a tennis ball into shallow water. His ball drive overrode his fear of the water. Now, he's really into swimming.


    same here; Nico would just hang out at the edge of the water and steal sticks and balls from other dogs. Then one day I threw the stick he was chasing in a creek and he saw it moving along, and his expression said "OMG that's magic!" and then went right in. after doing that a couple times it there was no going back. going off the dock was a whole other thing, but he did it eventually to save his precious ball.

  6. I don't know yet Jack still squats.... He is 10 mo old when should he start hiking his leg? He is around other dogs to see them hike their leg but at home the only animals are his cats and they don't hike. Shoot Ralph (in-laws bc) is three and still squats I think cause it takes to much time for him to hike his leg, last time he did he was pointed the wrong way from the tree not really a good example for Jack :D She has a pic of him doing it I will have to get the pic and post it, it is so funny.



    Nico JUST started lifting the leg and he is going on 2. Don't know if there's a direct relation, but it seemed to start up when he had to stand on uneven snow and one leg was already higher than the other.

    Yesterday we were coming in the house and he started sniffing like crazy. I thought he was smelling a rabbit or cat so i called him and he totally ignored me. This is the first time in I don't know how long that he ignored the recall. I thought he must smell something really good, so I grabbed his leash before he could take off. He led me to some pee in the snow, smelled it a lot, and lifted his leg like it was no big thing. He has never been interested in pee before. In fact right before this incident we were at the dog park and he was down on the ground, locked on the ball, waiting for me to throw it. Another dog came up and tried to sniff him and Nico completely ignored the dog's presence. After a second the dog peed right on his back end/leg area, and he still didn't turn around. :rolleyes:

  7. Hello,

    I posted a similar question in September, which I thought generated useful guidelines for my situation with a 12-18mo old dog. I too was struggling to make sense of all the conflicting info about how much exercise is best for a young dog. Anyway as a result of those responses, we took a Control Unleashed type class with Nico where we learned settle commands, and we the humans learned to identify over-excitement and to make decisions about when he has had enough. Today was a good example; it's below 10F here, and we had already been out long enough in the snow for his toes to get full of ice when he found a frozen tennis ball and was very adamant that it be thrown for him. In the past I might have thought, "OMG this dog is full of energy. He must really need to chase the ball. If I don't throw this ball he'll be crazy when we get home," but I have learned that this is not the case, and as expected he's totally conked out now.

    Not only were the responses and the class extremely helpful in that they gave us structured and mentally challenging activities to replace some of the primarily physical ones, but it also seemed to make Nico even more attentive and responsive to us and our expectations (or, I suppose we are also better at communicating them to him).

    Here's the link to that thread: http://www.bordercollie.org/boards/index.p...=25642&st=0 and thanks again to those who responded to it with advice back in September.

  8. I did misunderstand, I thought you were describing walking him for an hour and keeping him on a pretty close heel. What you described in the second post sounds much better.


    Still, he's not figuring things out. In my totally non sheep world, what my guys love most is learning new stuff. And what might be the best thing about working sheep for the dogs is its never the same thing twice, it's always a new challenge. At 13 and 14 and a half, what lights up the girls is learning a new skill or getting to go to a new place.


    Maybe change up your walking patterns - teach him to walk ahead of you, and behind you, as well as a traditional heel. Teach him to sit while you keep walking. Teach him to walk backwards with you.


    It sounds like you're having a great time with him.




    thanks Ruth, I love the walking backwards idea. We are having a great time. What you said about the walk being frustrating definitely applies to me because i would much rather be exploring in the woods with him than walking on the sidewalk. :rolleyes:

  9. Thanks guys ,I know there are so many different sites with names. I just wanted to narrow it down a little, I like the idea of Celtic kinda names, so thanks again I will keep searching and thinking


    We took naming advice from the "Monks of New Skete" : a two-syllable, crisp, humanoid name. After a few days with the dog (named Bogart by the rescue peeps) we had the names down to Nico, Banjo, Bowie (as in David Bowie, not bough-y), and Cosmo. Banjo eventually seemed too "cute" and not human, and I also practiced using the names with different tones and based on that went with Nico over Bowie (not as crisp), and kept Cosmo as middle name. That said I have friends with single syllable named dogs and it doesn't seem to matter at all. There's a dog I see sometimes here named "Crime Fighter" and its very strange to hear it being called/reprimanded. :rolleyes:

  10. This is very helpful, thank you everyone. As we are heading into winter here in the upper midwest, it is great to get some new ideas. I will work on a settle command, and I was also thinking of seeing how he does with flyball for a winter activity. He can get a few objects by name, but that is something I would enjoy doing more. I'll report back on these things.


    I have a Q about this comment:

    Walking him for an hour and requiring him to stay by your side for much of that time is very counterproductive. Mental stimulation makes his brain work to figure things out - your walk that day likely just frustrated him.


    Unless I'm totally misremembering, this is the way we were taught to walk him. He gets "free" breaks to sniff and such, so it's not as stringent as heeling. With being in the city and for at least part of the time walking past people, bikes, cars, and dogs, we were told that its safer for everyone to have him close and easier to control. When we first got him, he would lunge at anything. This is no longer the case but occasionally an especially fast-moving jogger or a bike will catch his eye at the last second and I need to be ready to redirect his attention and keep the leash short. I'm open to other interpretations and suggestions regarding the walk, though, especially if the consensus is that this is not an enjoyable activity for him. If we're not going to the river all the time we could probably find quieter places for walking and practicing walking off leash.

  11. Hello,

    So I've read so many conflicting things about how much exercise border collies need. "Two hours of free running per day" seems to be the oft-repeated but poorly-cited web mantra on the topic. All summer my presumed bc cross, Nico, was either swimming, chasing balls, or running on sand chasing waves intermittently for 1-2 hours per day. With that amount of exercise he was perfectly behaved in the house so I had settled into that routine. Based on the vet's guess when we adopted him, he's now between 15 and 18 months old, and I was already feeding this 40 pound dog the Canidae feeding recommendations for a 50 pound dog. After my vet was vague on Nico's weight--said he should not lose any and could stand to put some on but not to worry about it--I started to wonder if he was getting too much action, if I was basically running him to exhaustion to get good behavior when he would be better off with less running and more mental exercise. Although feeling incredulous about that possibility that he could possibly get too much exercise based on things I had read like a working dog can run 60km or more per day, I googled "too much exercise" and "border collie" and saw that in fact there is a great deal of inconsistency to be found. I read that when dogs perceive that they are working they do not know when to stop, and that unchecked exercise can lead to "OCD" behavior in herding dogs. Also I am switching him to a raw diet so the issue of the right amount to feed is again under consideration.


    I did a "test" week with 1 hour walking on a leash (which takes a lot of concentration on his part to walk by my side) and more games and tricks but after three days of this he was bringing me shoes and pillows and pulling things of the counters and repeatedly wedging his bone under the bookshelf in my office. A happy medium must be in there somewhere, but I'm still interested in the hypothetical possibilities of overexercise. I understand the danger of exercising the dog when it is hot, or when the heat plus humidity is over 150 (?), so I'm really wondering about limits when heat is not a factor. Like 65 and cloudy, low to zero humidity. If Nico is by water he will swim or chase waves--and by "chase" I mean run in the surf 50 or so yards in one direction top speed, turn and come past me another 50 in the other direction, jumping over large rocks, evading other dogs, occasionally throwing a shoulder into a wave or biting it, turn, repeat, ad infinitum. When we are at the park with the river, if there are no waves from boats' wake and I do not throw anything into the water for him, he will go after twigs, leaves, bubbles, other dogs' toys, other dogs, etc., that happen to be floating past. Often I need to throw rocks into the water to distract him from swimming too far into the middle of the river after something or other. But at a certain part is he just compelled to do these things, regardless of a true need for exercise? Is this the kind of situation where I am the one who needs to impose limits? By comparison, when we are at the small, boring dog park he will just lie under a tree or maybe accept play from another dog if I do not throw a ball for him, but then he is restless later at home. He has mysteriously sliced open both "elbow" pads on his front legs when he was at the park, and we only noticed later b/c he was licking them before bed. After a 7 day camping trip on which he seemed perfectly happy, he had a slight limp for 2 days once we got home--actually, he started limping right away once we got off the water and into a hotel room.


    This weekend he was at Lake Superior where the waves are nonstop, and I planned to just let him chase them until he seemed a little tired. After 20 minutes (I timed it) of constant running as described above, there was little perceptible change in his speed or enthusiasm and had the crazy look in his eyes like "Can't you see the waves are getting away!? Stop distracting me with your boring treats and silly commands!" His tongue was not even that long, but I made him take a 5 minute break anyway, after which he was more than happy to go right back to streaking up and down the beach. Since the humans were trying to hike 4 miles along the water, I really felt like I did not know how to monitor his running, or even if I needed to. On the way back we ended up going inland so he couldn't see or hear the water. After a day like this, he will ask to go into the tent and sleep when we get back to camp but he will not slow down "in the moment." I read that when dogs are not interested in food or affection, they are over-tired. Food, OK, but we are constantly showering this dog with affection--should he REALLY get excited all the time? While my friends were very tolerant of my concern, I do feel silly worrying about it when he appears to be "playing" but the fact is that I have never had a dog with much athletic ability so the potential for overexercise never came up.


    I know that above all this is one of those situations in which I need to learn from my own observations of my dog but any insight you have from your experiences or guidelines you've developed with your dog are much appreciated!

    (And are cold temps a factor? He has played in sub zero conditions and was not shivering. But I guess it comes back to the question of if you can trust their body language if they are intent on doing something? And if the answer is "maybe", how is this a proposition that can be safely tested?)

    Thanks for reading!

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