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  1. According to the link information, the family had the dogs for a month after the owner went into the hospital. Why would the ill owner immediately be condemned? Why didn't the family clean up the house or did they trash it? A lot of people think a BC not B/W with a rough coat is not a pure bred. Why were all the dogs in good condition? I am on a fairly remote ranch in New Mexico with my rescue BC and horses. Not a day goes by that I do not worry about what would happen to them if I dropped dead or was injured. It's interesting that transport is being requested from Texas to Arizona. There is a whole state in between - New Mexico.
  2. Wonder why she hasn't been adopted. She is beautiful and looks interested. She is probably waiting for you.
  3. Unless the dog food is labeled organic, it's going to be the same source of beef. I haven't fed anything but fish for over a year. Thanks for the info with the links.
  4. Antonia has been eating beans, rice, coconut milk and tumeric for 2 days and is hopping around the house showing her teeth in a big smile. Also glancing hopefully at her bowl. I have not seen that before. Tumeric is the most effective antiinflamatory there is. I looked at some photos of hot spots on the internet and now I don't feel so bad. She has one on her hip, but the skin is not broken. Don't people check their dogs or what? It is a lot better now with goldenseal/calendula compresses. I am going to keep up with the beans and rice for a week, then start adding things in one at a time for a week to find all the problems. I met someone last year whose dog was allergic to an enzyme in meat. I might not be able to feed her meat, but will try egg, etc. Also giving her 1 gram of Eskimo 3 fish oil liquid and a probiotic pill.
  5. When I was working construction and moving a lot, I asked motel owners and apartment owners where we stayed to write us letters of recommendation. Never had trouble after that ever. Never had anything stolen out of my room either.
  6. Here's another story - When I was looking for Antonia, I kept seeing advertisements for BCs because people were buying houses and their insurance company wouldn't let them have certain breeds of dogs. WHAT? I would get rid of the house and the insurance company also. I also have 4 horses that would be dead now, turned out onto open hard pan dessert range if I had not loaded them up and brought them with me. The next year when I became disabled, those horses kept me alive. Still keeping me alive.
  7. Do not leave your dog with anyone - especially a BC. 35 years ago I left my Siberian Husky with some family. They let their kid torment her until she bit him. Then they tied her up in the back yard and she jumped the fence with the chain barely long enough for her feet to touch the ground on the other side. Later, I left her with another family member and they chained her up, but it was freezing cold in Alaska and the snap didn't shut. She was hit by a car and died many hours later. I can still remember where I was standing 7,000 miles away when I knew she was dead. No one had to tell me. All that happened because I had to leave to have a baby. Nothing else could have dragged her away from me. I could have brought her with me, but I didn't have the airfare. I'd rather get hit by a bus.
  8. I am back to read through the raw posts again and figure it out. Antonia did OK on Orijens fish, but she began to gain weight. I read that some people have trouble with weight and orijens. I got her Wellness Core fish. As soon as she was getting mostly Wellness Core when I was gradually switching, she started acting not right again. Scratching, etc. Not crying yet though. Today I was brushing her and noticed the hot spot is back and the flaky area is 3" now. I have clipped off all the hair and I am going to wash with a week betadine solution. I know betadine kills new cells. Just to clean up. Looks like it was not gone at all - just calmed down a little. Has anyone tried Schreiners Herbal antiseptic on these things? I use it on my horses. Also I use goldenseal compresses on sunburned horse noses and all other trouble. Works like magic and it's also anti fungal. I think I will grind up some goldenseal root with calendula flowers. They are both anti bacterial and anti fungal. I use Eskimo 3 fish oil for myself. It is never rancid and I have been giving Antonia 1t. divided between her 2 little meals. The Orijens has probiotics in it. I would like to be taking Seacure myself, but it is astronomically expensive. Maybe during summer when the horses are turned out. I also have Probiotic Pearls which are coated so they make it through stomach acid into the intestines. I don't know if dogs need the same probios that humans use. More research. Any opinions? I have never had skin trouble before with any of my dogs. How much meat by weight either on or off bones is recommended? Having worked in the cattle industry, I'm not very excited about feeding beef from supermarkets - full of hormones, grain fed, etc. If I knew how much by weight to feed, I would know if I could afford grass fed beef with different parts especially for dogs. There is an outfit in Missouri owned by a vet offering this. If I just go to the local market should I buy a pot roast and chop it up? I think they have some big knuckle bones also, but never have much meat on them. What about oxtails? Should I cut off all the fat? Maybe I will start with one thing and add to it some sweet potato? Thanks for all opinions. Jane in New Mexico.
  9. Hello-

    Is your mail box still full?

    Jane and ANtonia in Tierra Amarilla.

  10. Hi Claudia,

    I sent you a message between computer crashes. Don't know if you got it. I am up here near Tierra Amarilla. Should be about -20F tonight. We are ready.

    Tried to send you a message to your BC page, but it said you can't get any new messages. Then I noticed you are the person with the little goats. So sorry! Mail box full?

    Happy Ne...

  11. Thank you for your post. I know a lot of dogs and other critters are mistreated on ranches, but some of us are still living the life and care more for our animals than ourselves really. When I was working on ranches I used to see the most awful things. Maybe if the people in charge of deciding who qualified for consideration for a rescue BC could evaluate the condition of stock on ranches, they could get comfortable. That is why I always included information and photos of my horses - they all look like giant sheared beavers due to $$$ diet and constant care. That said, a working ranch is probably not going to have time or energy to rehabilitate a BC who has ended up in a shelter because of a problem. Arielle at the BC rescue in Santa Fe was considering doing some training in this area. Don't know what happened to that plan - no time! I remember especially a dog who was much less than a year old who had been dumped at a shelter in Colorado because she "wouldn't work." This is what happened to Antonia. Working cattle is a speedy, scary thing to a baby dog that involves running for miles every hour of the day sometimes without water in summer heat. Then they are required to face down mad cattle in pens for hours. I have seen that a lot of times. Often times I would pull up and go back to look for a new dog and get in trouble for doing it. Sometimes a few words of encouragement was all it took for the pup to keep on keeping on. It was interesting that some of these dogs and standoffish horses, too, would be greeting me and visiting while ignoring everyone else. What a cooincidence. I got in trouble for that, too. If you give a horse or dog a handful of water when they are pooped, they never forget it.
  12. Nor brooms, shovels, rakes, blenders or coffee grinders. It's hard to get to the blenders and coffee grinders, so it's best to keep running in circles near the noise until they show their faces.
  13. Thanks for your nice post. I wanted to tell you that somehow I read through your For Love of Pete page on dogster in June, 2009, when my BC cross died. I was so distraught that I thought I was going to go right with her. I could not believe it when I saw For the Love of Pete here. There are thousands of dogs over there at dogster. That is the last time I am going to have only one dog. I was going to buy a BC puppy, but then I found all the homeless BCs stuck in shelters. Looking at them was almost worse than loosing my dog! But no one would let me have one. I gave the rescue people the local vet as a reference and a woman I know who has a rescue operation near here. Still wouldn't consider me. It was like they thought a Border Collie shouldn't be on a ranch! After 3 months of trying, I went up to San Luis Valley and found Antonia in a private shelter. Next summer when the weather gets warm, I am going to start looking for a BC pup in a shelter. I would like to have a pup, but will probably come home with the first one I see no matter what age. I wish I could bring them all home. At least it's better to bring home dogs than horses. I do that too.
  14. Antonia was a beserk ball of energy today from before day break. Throwing her toys all around in a happy state. She ran and ran in 6" of snow until I worried about her. She ran off into the meadows by herself (a little unusual) and bounced around until I went out there with her. She chased off a couple of escaped cows that were tearing into the hay and almost gripped! She kept looking at me to be sure she was doing the right thing. Of course, I was standing there clapping which made her spring around even more, then get right down to business. I think a lot of her timidity is due to feeling bad. It is possible she will become sensitized to any food I give her within a couple of months. That's what happens to me. In two months without problems, I am going to gradually switch brands of food. Or I might try to introduce some raw food. I don't have a big freezer so that might be tough. I don't live within a 100 miles of a place to buy decent raw food. I need to figure out if the raw red meat was a problem for her or just pork and chicken. Whatever I do, I'm going to do it before any trouble starts. Otherwise I won't know what's going on again. I'm going to watch her carefully tomorrow for signs of worse stiffness. She's really pooped right now. Thank you for all your great comments and suggestions! Jane and Antonia
  15. Donkeys are awesome guard animals and smarter than horses. Mules are even better. They will grab a dog (or lion for that matter) and it will not live to see another aggressive day. Open range horses are also excellent. Mine will go after any dog that looks aggressive even if I'm on him. If I see a dog barking I better just hang on. Be sure you get donkeys that know sheep and goats or pen them separately, but near each other for some time. My neighbor got a donkey to guard his sheep once. It looked at the sheep and got so scared it jumped the cattle guard and went home. So sorry for your loss. I always think about raising sheep for wool, but I don't trust the lions, coyotes and dogs here. My horses might or might not guard them. Everyone I know puts all their small stock in at night. This creates a whole new set of chores every day. I don't know how any of this goes with neighbors. I would get a video set up and figure out what is going on. You will see what did it if you put the small stock in the barn.
  16. In the winter Antonia sleeps on her own little love seat next to my bed in the living room. We have to move downstairs near the wood stove in the fall. During the summer, she sleeps on the floor of the living room and doesn't want to go up the very steep stairs to the bedroom. She is very agile, but still gaining confidence. I put her bed on the floor in the LR and she sometimes sleeps there. This fall, when it started getting cold, Antonia waited for me to notice her, then stood and stared at the place on the love seat where her bed goes. Clearly, it was time to get up out of the draft. I put her bed up there and she sleeps there mostly. Sometimes she sleeps next to the kitchen door. I think she is too hot although it is only about 55F in the house. She can sleep anywhere she wants, but prefers her own spot. The only good light in the LR is on the bed and that is where we have heavy trauma during nail clipping. That might have spoiled the bed for her which is OK - lots less hair everywhere! My last dog, Iris (Besinji/BC cross, really nuts, smarter than a BC and quick as lightening) always slept on the bed and loved to stay at the end of the bed all the time looking out the window. About every 6 months for all her life, she would decide she should be the sole inhabitant of the double bed upstairs. Then we would have a loud argument with bared teeth and all. She could bark and chirp, too. Sort of scary because she could jump 4' straight up without crouching or bending her legs. After that, she would go to her spot by the window and look sheepish. When we lived on a place with almost no heat at 7,300' el. Iris and I kept each other warm. She slept with her head on the pillow. Even at the end, once in a while I would wake up and Iris would be asleep like a human under the covers with her head on the pillow. Sometimes she would sleep under the covers at the bottom of the bed. During treacherous times, Iris wouldn't sleep at all, but sit up on the end of the bed all night listening. That one would go up and down the stairs really fast and jump from the top to the bottom. Besinjis jump like kangaroos. Iris liked to sleep and stay in the house. Besinjis are bred to hunt african lions. She wanted to gather everything up and kill them. Not good on a working cattle ranch. I loved Iris a lot, and that mean streak was a handy trait from time to time in the mountains of Northern New Mexico. Thirteen years is a long time to be kept company by a pooch in isolated living situations. I still miss her.
  17. Thank you all so much for your thought an effort. I was nearly frantic yesterday - well, just plain frantic. GOOD NEWS! I hope it lasts. Antonia is much better today. No ear scratching, no crying. There is nothing worse than hearing her crying in the night while she is scratching or miserable. I did see her standing and scratching her belly with a hind leg once today. When she does this her little tongue starts going in and out really fast. I think this is mostly odd ball BC behavior than anything else. I chose the Origen because it has so many whole food nutrients in it. That was dumb. I have life threatening allergies myself and have had to do many rotation and elimination diets. I think the raw food diet sounds like the best and I would already be feeding it, but she has reacted immediately and definitely to chicken, pork and, lately, beef. I am going to print out all your suggestions in case my computer dies again. Antonia had a very hard start on a big cattle ranch in Colorado. She was a little less than a year old when I adopted her from San Luis Valley shelter. When I met her she streaked into the room and dove under my chair. That was it. So little! She was so afraid of a leash that she was impossible to move off the ground. The first few days I had her we spent a lot of time in the yard. Just sitting with her. She would wrap her front legs around my neck from the back and hold on. After about a week, she came around and gave me the BC bead from about 6" from my eyes. She was terrified. I did some investigating and discovered she had been on a big working cattle ranch with a bunch of Mexican hired guys. Just from watching her here, I could tell they had been running her down on horses and throwing ropes at her. They had a bunch of working BC's and I am sure it was terrifying to be set loose with them. Cattle on big ranches are pretty wild sometimes, too. She was terrified of the horses, but immediately and expertly moved 12 cow/calf pairs without ever pushing them out of a slow walk. She was shocked and so proud of herself when she got a lot of praise. Several times she left the meadows and streaked back to the house. I didn't tell her she was naughty for about 3 months. I figured she felt safe at the house. She still does. She has never left the yard without me. She was terrified of the dogs on the surrounding ranches. But one day the guy who puts up hay here brought two BCs with him. Antonia was overjoyed and took off to see them. Of course, they wanted to kill her. She made a big arc and came home all excited and happy. Signs of life! She is still terrified of the diesel pickup. I figure she must have been thrown in the back of one a lot of times. I don't know if you have ever seen Mexicans work horses, but it is horrendous - Texas rowel spurs, bull whips and vicious bits. It must be worse with dogs. After about 6 months she started throwing her toys at me from across the room if I didn't get moving. Good dog. She likes to ride around in the pickup and attracts tourists from England in the summer. They think she is mad at them, but she is smiling. Big grin. Sometimes she will sing to the radio which amuses people on the freeway. Also loves Merle Haggard! Puts her nose up in the air and sings away. She is very useful in the winter herding the elk and deer out of here. Also, excellent guard dog. After many months, she started helping me move the horses from one meadow into another. She always gets in the right spots to work with me. She will lie down 300 feet away if I ask her to, and lie down every twenty feet coming towards me if I give her a hand signal. She will not run out on her own to gather anything, but gradually her confidence is improving. Last summer she got after a bull that was mean and did a good job moving him by herself. I am thrilled to have her. My dog is with me 24/7 on and off the ranch. She is my best friend, so thank you all very much for your help. I am going to give it a few days to see how the Orijen works. She only eats about 2 cups of food a day, so it's not that bad. I think she may get sensitized to anything she eats for a long time, so I plan to rotate the good ones. I will try all the suggestions. Certain combinations of food bother me, so it may be the same with her. Gradually, the Wellness Lamb, Salmon, barley made her worse. I think gluten and grain free is the best. However Go Natural Salmon and Oats worked very well. I think I tried the Wellness because it was much less expensive. All your dogs are beautiful. Still trying to figure out how to post photos. Thanks so much, Jane in Tierra Amarilla NM
  18. Antonia is doing very well now. She is an expert cow herd - just naturally gets in the right place. But her food allergies have gotten much worse. When I first got her she was about a year old. Very tiny. She was terrified of everything. I started her on Wellness food. After a month I realized she was having allergy problems. Got her Go Natural Salmon. That was better, but hard to get. Then I got Wellness Salmon. Determined that chicken and pork were real trouble for her. Next I tried Wellness salmon,lamb,barley. Gradually over 3 months, it all got worse. Her hips started bothering her again. I got some probiotics. I got some Lubriflex - this had worked initially while I was looking at different food. Last week she began to cry at night again, scratch ears, etc. Still zipping around the ranch, but not as happy as before. I stopped all the dog food and fed her quinoa and potatoes - that's all I had in the house that she would eat. STopped the supplements. She has nothing to eat but the Orijins Fish, Seemed to get better. I ordered Orijins fish. The nutrients looked great. Now it's all getting much worse. She will not eat sweet potatoes or much besides dog food. I have not found a treat she likes without pork and chicken in it. What should I try now?? If meat is the problem, and grains are not digestible, what do I need to do? It seems like she might be developing a hot spot, but might just be a scratch from a wire fence. Thanks for any advice. I have terrible allergies including chemical sensitivity so I am familiar with rotating food in and out. But what? I can order exotic raw food if I need to, but money is an issue so don't want to waste more - like $77.00 sacks of dog food. Now it's winter so I have time to cook for her, and get organized with what she needs. Thanks, Jane
  19. I live in a very remote ranching area and I have been ordering "specialty" dog food for my very allergic BC from Amazon.com. If you look for free shipping, you can save some money. Even without free shipping, it's cheaper than paying for fuel for the 200 miles round trip. You can find all the different brands at all different prices. The only dog food that wasn't super market variety (mostly corn) was Eukenuba (or whatever). It was far away at a feed store, but if I do everything in one day it will pay to drive up there. Then I looked at the label and see it's the same as the super market food - same except for the price. Now I give myself a break and order everything I can on line.
  20. I have chicken soup for dogs available about 40 miles from me. Nothing else within 100 miles. I see there is reason to believe that a questionable preservative may be in the fish meal, although one evaluation site has reversed their negative opinion since the Chicken Soup people have stated it is no longer in their products. It is reasonable. I fed my old girl Wellness because it seemed to be the best for the price. I will pay $2.00/lb for dog food if I have to in order to properly feed my BC, but winter is almost here with higher than ever feed costs all the way around. My mother used to feed her show dogs some cooked ground beef with a scoop of cottage cheese in their kibble. Does this still work or not? I hate ground beef and won't eat it myself - have seen too many hormone ear tags and gross (really) killing facilities, etc. I have been giving her a tablespoon of high quality flax seed oil which is why my horses look like sheared beavers every winter. It rained 6 times here between June 6 and August 25. No monsoon at all. Otherwise I would be ordering something expensive through UPS and forgetting about the $$. Sometimes the time the research takes is worth more than the added cost. The horses will be eating a lot of beet pulp this winter. Their meadow is mostly dryland. My email is still not working, but will check back here later (or maybe much later). Thanks, Jane
  21. This is crazy. Why would having horses mean I would be herding horses? We are really not all so stupid. The horses will not herd and go after all dogs who try. I have my rescue dog now. I got her out of a shelter - the second she had been dumped in. When she saw me, she dove under my chair and stayed there. Now she spends her days with her little legs around the back of my neck while we sit under a shade tree in the yard. She also peers from one of my eyes into the other, then presses her check against mine and freezes. I was told she is a year or year and a half old. She had been picked up out of a shelter by a rancher and given to Mexican hired guys to work cattle. Apparently she was beaten with a rope because I cannot put her on a lead at all. She completely flattens. She is very tiny and thin. I am going to make her a little sign to wear that says "I am tiny because I am a baby." She is no more than 8 or 9 months old. The last terrified puppy I heard about was 4 months old and had been dumped because she was terrified of cattle. The shelter was trying to find a "family home" for her. When she finds her inner Border Collie, she will begin herding. Those who do this to baby dogs should be charged with felony cruelty. What I see in all these posts is a lot of talk about humans and very little about dogs. It reminds me of the fancy horse world. Also, a lot of guesses about what the situation is here aside from the home for the dog, then plenty of judgemental comments about the guesses. I have received private emails from working ranches with Border Collie breeding facilities all around the country. The division between the intent of the attitudes and comments is striking. Not one working rancher makes one negative comment about anything or anybody. No conjecture and no judgement. That's the way we are out here. To suggest I "go to work for a rescue" is ludicrous. What rescue? People who come into this area and start dictating don't last long here. The last woman from town who came in here with a lot of money spouting about dog rescue ended up leaving her horse in an extremely abusive environment and disappearing back to Colorado. Couldn't bother taking him with her when she couldn't sell him, so she dumped him. Don't waste time posting replies. I just came on here to find out about what I should be doing with this little dear dog. I will figure it out elsewhere. So much time and energy has been wasted here - for what? Believe it or not, there are rescue organizations who are not interested in wasting time on human drama. Jane Sheridan Collins
  22. I know all about bad people who mistreat animals. I offered many photos and all information requested - even more. If someone had taken a moment and sent me an email referencing time frame, or lack of time frame, I could have gone to work and checked for updates. Bob was extremely courteous and helpful. I took more photos. Sent more emails downloaded applications one page at a time, filled them out by hand, rescanned them into the computer one page at a time and tried to email them - one page at a time. Nothing. The suggestion has been made that I should call. All the sites have email addresses and ask that inquiries be sent by email. Some sites have no telephone numbers listed. Some email addresses are not current and messages were returned. I do not have Outlook Express. I copied down all email addresses and sent email inquiries through my email account. It should be noted that some breeders I have contacted suddenly do not return my messages presumably because they have contacted rescue groups. If you are a trial person or breeder, don't get yourself blackballed or put into an uncomfortable situation over this. Some people will never be able to wait months for a response and some direction. I ignored most work here on the ranch because the dog is a very high priority. I repeat - most farm/ranch people will NOT have the time to do this. I don't either, but chose to put off straightening out my horses to prepare for stock to find a dog. I do not expect people who are not familiar with ranch life to understand the implications of this, but it would be interesting if some people could start to understand that they don't have a clue about how things work on ranches and farms. Nobody has time for anything but work at this time of year. In another couple of weeks, it will be worse. Then we will be getting the wood and hay in and fixing the fences before winter hits. My intent was to find a puppy and an older dog. Doesn't matter which order as long as there is some time to get each dog used to the environment. I have located both, but will consider making room for an older homeless dog too at a later date. I did think an evaluation by an experienced rescue group would be very helpful, but I could not get past the application process. I gave excellent references that I thought would be accepted - a woman near here who knows me, my dog and horses, who has done large and small rescue for many years. She has also owned and trained working Border Collies, and at one time held herding exhibitions in the area. AT the moment she has the core of the the El Rito Mustang herd on a ranch near here. They were being illegally shot by ranchers on their BLM grazing allotments. Like me, she walked away from her career in order to take care of animals who needed assistance. I also offered the name of the local vet who cared for my dog before she died. He has been to my house, knows who I work for and knows my animals are more than well cared for. All the immunization I use come from his office. There is no reason to become defensive or make accusations. I do not see how this expenditure of energy helps any of the dogs. It's a waste of time. Jane Sheridan Collins
  23. I was not specifically denied for any reason. There were no dogs at the Santa Fe rescue operation that is just getting organized, however that rescue has been extremely gracious. I never got any response from Four Corners Rescue after many emails to all the email addresses I could find. One shelter asked me if I own the ranch where I live. No, I do not. However, I understand that due to demands made by new policies of insurance companies, some people who own their homes are trying to dump their dogs. I would walk away from a house before I dumped my dogs and/or horses. I only received two responses other than Santa Fe and private breeders. I did receive several emails with directives concerning paperwork after a month on the internet sending out inquiries. I offered all information in a written letter form. If there was a problem with out of state adoptions, someone should have told me. In fact one of the rescue operations works across Wyoming and Colorado. Is just New Mexico excluded? One response I received was from a shelter in Colorado who did not want to give me a puppy I had specifically inquired about, but would give me an older dog. I had sent them an email after I read about a 4 month old pure bred puppy who "a rancher gave up on" because she was "terrified of stock." The post said this dog would not be adopted to a family with stock. I wanted to know what was going to happen to this dog when she found her inner BC, stopped feeling terrified and started herding children. And one phone call from AZ by telephone - a long time ago with no followup. I appreciate the suggestions, but it's interesting that people on remote ranches are told to go to shelters. Many ranches are remote with close in areas being subdivided. Shelters it is. For many years I have admired the Bro and Tracy adventures on horse back. That seems like a good place to start. If I had called every place in Texas, New Mexico, Colorado and Arizona that I have contacted, I would be looking forward to a $200.00 telephone bill, and much more for the suggested trips to visit these adoption facilities. If a prospective adopter cannot get a response, why would she/he start driving around? Sheridan Collins
  24. Thank you for all the suggestions. I posted this originally in Politics and Culture because ranch culture is an entity in itself. It becomes political when the cultural divisions become apparent. I don't believe I could ever be in the position of deciding who should be able to adopt any animal. Nobody really knows if they are all on the same page when talking about adequate (hopefully more than adequate) care. I once worked on a 100,000 acre cattle ranch that was comprised of many different leased places. Some of those places had older owners still living on the ranch. I saw such horrible things being done to animals by people who professed undying love for them that I finally quit. Sometimes the horses I was riding had been left from a long day the day before with nothing but a bucket of water that had immediately been tipped over. Things went down hill from there. I appreciate all the work the rescue operations are doing. No rancher or farmer would be able to do this ever. But I have spoken to at least one person involved in rescue and adoption who has already realized there is a rift occurring. It is not only my experience. Maybe it is because I have lived in both worlds all my life that I am willing to bring any attention to the problem. Most ranchers and farmers don't bother. It is not a problem for me to fill out applications - if I am able to. It would be nice to be able to start driving around four states looking for a dog. What person with stock can do this? At the moment, I only have four horses here. I still can't do it. A long time ago I stopped trying to leave people with my animals. I can clean up in five months in Alaska as a civil construction manager, but I don't do it any more - my dog and horses where never properly cared for while I was gone. I am very excited to see photos of working Border Collies. I have only seen semi trained dogs chasing cattle out of oak brush - in no specific direction. This caused a lot of work gathering them up again, but at least no one was on the ground with snakes and bulls. I used to see Border Collies on hay farms when I was brokering horse hay out of the mountains. It was only the Border Collies that I had to keep my eye on - they would watch which direction I was looking, then creep up behind me. They were always the best guardians of everything. It has occurred to me that I should be looking for one dog with working potential and get another from a kill shelter. I don't know if I can go into a kill shelter. My dog ran away from a motel in the middle of Phoenix once after a SWAT team shot tear gas into a room downstairs from us when I was out. It was horrible. I spent days in shelters looking for her. I knew no one would be able to catch her (too quick and smart), and she was a biter. The motel was surrounded by 6 lane 50mph roadways. She had never been around traffic before. I followed garbage trucks for days with no air conditioning in my pickup. I figured they saw everything everywhere. I paid bums in the park to call me if they saw her. I even got calls and saw dogs that looked like her, but were not. I almost got arrested for putting up posters everywhere. I refused to leave without her. After 4 days in 118 degree heat, Iris showed up in the parking lot. She was dehydrated and had burned feet, but she was OK. That night a big pit bull showed up at the top of the stairs. I thought he was coming after me - he was definitely on a mission. He trotted right by me, put his nose to the bottom of our door and then kept on going and left down another stairway. I figure he had been taking care of Iris for those four days. She always liked the pit bulls and Rottweilers. I had my dog for 5 more years, but I never forgot all the dogs in the huge kill shelter Sheridan Collins near Tierra Amarilla, New Mexico
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