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  1. I know the positive only discussion vs correction gets REALLY old on these forums...but this was quite the interesting read and has sparked some debate/changed some perspectives in our training circles...a must read for anyone who has trained/worked with dogs or is planning to.. http://www.balancedtrainers.com/bloggers/entry/a-silent-killer
  2. I have known Susane personally for many years, I can assure you she is one of the most responsible breeders I know...puts a huge amount of time and effort into planning her breedings and doing all the health testing. She breeds only once every 4 years and only when they are ready for another string of trial dogs..she is hugely active in the stockdog community and very knowledgable....I know if she recommends her females aren't spayed until they are older it's because the latest research indicates that's what's best for the health of the animal and she takes the future health and well being of all of the animals she produces seriously... Knowing others who's dogs have been plagued by genetic or cicumstantial health problems with there dogs/and working with rescue groups, having a breeder be so concious about what they are producing is relief.. She CAN be a little over the top with some things.....but it's only because she cares so much about the well being of the animals she has and the ones she intends to produce...
  3. GREAT JOB!!! Sounds like all your hard work payed off!!! I have to say I LOVE how much the relationship with your dog has an impact on how well you do in competitive obedience!!! Training methods and relationships are put to the test!!! Looks like you're heading the right direction with your boy!! Keep up the good work!! Would love to see a video sometime!!
  4. I would have to agree with Liz P and Donald... The REAL test is taking them off your property... We take our multiple dogs off leash to parks, kids sporting events, pet stores, long walks....really puts your training and managing abilities to the test to manage your "pack" outside the comforts of ones home and fenced in backyards
  5. And to add insult to injury...EVERY memeber on the "board" that's determining whether to write the new standard and what it may be....are conformation breeders/handlers.....
  6. I sent the BCSA a long e-mail, basicly asking them to close there stud books...NEVER gonna happen...
  7. I would also say this is a VERY serious safety issue, not only for the dog but the people jogging/on the bike that he wants to chase.... The dog is reacting to the fast movement of the jogging person, bike, or in alot of cases with border collies...a car. Car issues are obviously more serious for the dog as they could die being struck or run over by a moving vehicle....but with the dog wanting to chase things with people involved, you are risking there safety and the dogs... There are MANY great threads on this forum that have covered this kind of subject...dogs who want to chase cars, animals, bikes, etc...there are some really great suggestions.. I have personally dealt with this issue with two seperate dogs..both required getting REAL tough on the dog to drive the lesson home!!!
  8. I think Kathy Knox sounds like the closest clinician I can get to, and I've heard ALOT of wonderful things about her!!!! Bummer the clinic isn't until July...but I'll keep at with my guy until then...we'll keep things fast, and fun...I'll keep him on his feet, asking for flanks and walk ups, etc. I also posted on the "ask and expert" section...maybe AJM will have some expert advice also?? Thanks all for the input
  9. Hello Amanda, I posted this over in the training section also, hoping to get some help with my dog. Have already given some advice and I will more than likely be traveling to seek out a good clinician...but in the mean time I would love your input as well!!! Here's my gig... "Need some advice here.. Bought this dog about 9 months ago, was a fairly succesful nursery dog, 3 years old. He seems to almost have TO MUCH eye when I want him to flank, he really lacks flexibility on his flanks and that's what cost us the most in trials. If we driving the sheep it is VERY difficult to flank him all the way to turn them, same problem on the fetch. He will not come off his sheep to give me a bigger flank. Yet sometimes he appears to be TO MUCH off his sheep..at the top of his outrun he will often times lie down(with out me asking) and just stick there..letting his sheep go where ever..not making contact. It will take all my urging to get him up and going. I am trying to not stop him at the top now but give him a steady..or a check, he will often times lie down and stick anyway!!! Also...when driving, even though he seems to have lack of flexibility when driving and fetching..he will, like I said, loose contact with his sheep and often looks back at me....which RRREEAALLLYYY bugs me.. SO...two issues here I'm not quite sure which is more important to approach or how to go about it...is this a confidence thing?? I've let him "take the reins" a little bit more to try and build his conficence..but then is almost completely unwilling to be flexible AT ALL!!! Any advice would be great..."
  10. Thanks for the advice so far..Kathy f, where would I find info on the Kathy Knox clinics?! I will say also.... He's pretty good with up close work, it's adding any kind of distance.... Listening ears go off, all flexibility and push seems to go out the window!!! When I put some pressure on him to try and correct, he gets all wiggidy... Looking at me, etc. Because its winter I haven't had a chance to stretch him out much, so I'm hoping the closer at hand drills/work will transfer to longer distances... But that was a big problem last fall/summer
  11. Shoofly, I live in northern Iowa?? I agree with you, what do you mean by "loosening him up at hand"?? Not be so hard on him?? Are there some exercises you could recommend?? Right now I've been having him do a short outrun... Giving him a steady... Let him bring me the sheep with some nice pace, and letting him drive them strait away off of me. He seems to be in-nerves if I walk behind him though.... I've also been doing some exercises where I send him out for his sheep, he brings them half way then I have him flank all the way around and drive them back up.... He seems to enjoy flanking and off balance exercises.... I'm trying to keep sessions short and fun... Tie him up a bit, work another dog, then work him again...
  12. I'm not super interested in winning trials as I am I'm learning and helping my dog and I be successful.....I'm still a mostly a novice and I bought the dog with hopes of trailing him and learning a ton. I haven't run him in a trial since early fall.... Just been working him and trying to get right as a team. I have a hard time being a novice, seeing things as a progression in sheepdog training. It's hard for me to let certain things go... To help build up or work on more important things. And letting him have his sheep more seems to create a slew of other problems......
  13. Need some advice here.. Bought this dog about 9 months ago, was a fairly succesful nursery dog, 3 years old. He seems to almost have TO MUCH eye when I want him to flank, he really lacks flexibility on his flanks and that's what cost us the most in trials. If we driving the sheep it is VERY difficult to flank him all the way to turn them, same problem on the fetch. He will not come off his sheep to give me a bigger flank. Yet sometimes he appears to be TO MUCH off his sheep..at the top of his outrun he will often times lie down(with out me asking) and just stick there..letting his sheep go where ever..not making contact. It will take all my urging to get him up and going. I am trying to not stop him at the top now but give him a steady..or a check, he will often times lie down and stick anyway!!! Also...when driving, even though he seems to have lack of flexibility when driving and fetching..he will, like I said, loose contact with his sheep and often looks back at me....which RRREEAALLLYYY bugs me.. SO...two issues here I'm not quite sure which is more important to approach or how to go about it...is this a confidence thing?? I've let him "take the reins" a little bit more to try and build his conficence..but then is almost completely unwilling to be flexible AT ALL!!! Any advice would be great...
  14. He does an occasional clinic around here, he seems to work alot with "AKC people" and up-right breeds...I participated once when I was first starting out and didn't know any better and wasn't impressed. There was ALOT of control emphasized with his methods. He basicly instructed me to beat the crap out of my dog because he wasn't "giving" to me...it was rather traumatizing, I couldnt do it but he did it to other dogs who completely shut down. He would procede to drag them back in the round pen and try and froce them to work...saying "quitting" wasn't an option.. I know he himself doesn't trial...which hurts his credibility as does similar "word of mouth" accounts, with border collie people outside of arena trials... I know he has done some breeding and his breedings have backed up some nice working dogs..including some of Alasdairs dogs I believe?? Not sure on the details of this though...
  15. CONGRADS!!! What an amazing score, sounds like you have a great competitive future with your guy!! Good luck and keep having fun!!
  16. It's not really about the title per se, it's about the QUALITY of "work"...if you can show that you can get through a heel pattern with the dog relatively in heel position, focused on it's handler and not sniffing the ground in the face of distrations...then your dog knows how to heel pretty well, and you did a good job of training the heel.. Just using the "heel" as an example In Obedience trials, Rally, etc..the dog can still sniff, not be in position, "flake out" or what not and still qualify/get a title...that dog to me doesn't know how to Heel well and hasn't been taught properly, but they can still get a title. There are many people(I've painfully watched) at trials who are there JUST to get titles. I would NEVER send someone to or recommend a trainer based on that. Laugh it up Kristine...joke's on you
  17. LOL!! Oh my..I was going to stay out of this one...but it just keeps ROLLING ON!!! Root Beer, you really DO have an answer for everything!! LOL!! You don't compete in obedience because you CHOOSE not to..of course!!! Of course you find working with everyday people more gratifying than competing!! Although you sure are the FIRST to throw there hat in with threads about sports. With ALLLL your infinite knowledge, never tested of course(but because you choose not to). First off...I don't think bc soul sista MEANT that we should all get down on all fours, sniff eachothers butts, and act like dogs, and I think you KNOW THAT!!! She was merely proving the point that "corrections"..or consequences for certain things, is what something that they understand. They are not damaged by another dog presenting these consequences by either a growl or a physical act, etc. period. So why would it be emotionaly damaging to a dog to recieve such from there person as long as it is un-emotional, and fair to the situation?? I don't get the vibe from her that she is trying to tear down pet people or everyday training for dogs. But recognize that it's NOT that hard to teach basic commands (sit, down, heel, come, etc) with a click and a treat. It gets tricky when more advanced things are required and more is expected of the dog and that's where methods that involve no consequence for the dog I feel fail. Other than there VERY few exceptions(Denise is a very talented and creative trainer)... From my experience training advanced behaviors and competing with dogs really truly tests training and handling. It puts your ideas, handling and training skills to the ultimate test. Challenging your methods and how you think dogs learn. There is no way the people who are at the top of there game don't understand how dogs learn and train effectively..or they wouldn't be where they are. BC Soul Sista seems to be a talented, young and newer trainer, I've also been following her brags. The notion that she hasn't spent EQUAL amount of hard hours training her dog as someone who trains for Pet behaviors only is rediculous Root Beer. Alot of what she says needs to be considered because of the success she has had already. Her training has been tested and she has shown that it's been very effective.
  18. As someone who competes in both sheepdog trials and dog sports...I would have to say that dogs are generally more calm at sheepdog trials because most handlers are pretty "old school" with there approach to dogs. VERY no non-sense, black and white. Sheepdog training/handling is the most natural kind of work there is for these dogs. And there is NO sheepdog training void of corrections, wethere someone is aware of it or not..there is being pressure put on these dogs and it is being released whether it's by the handler or the sheep. Cause and effect. It makes SENSE to the dog. It's natural, not an artificial environment. If the dog barks, is being a jerk or in other ways being a general pain..it learns pretty darn quickly the consequences for such. I know many well respected sheepdog trainers/handlers where there pups first lessons are learning to be quiet on a tie out, learning to be quite in a crate, call off of sheep, come when called...all teaching self control and good manners.. While in dog sports it's all about building DRIVE to fuel an artificial game!! Don't want to "correct"..diminish drive or enthusiasm..etc. And that's just the way it is..there is virually NOBODY I know who uses any kind of correction for agility training, they need the dog to build speed, drive and confidence. And these are the atmospheres where I see the most crazed, revved up, barking dogs...except for flyball, it's part of the "game".
  19. I think it does matter...since you seem to try to be the "spokes person" for doggie sport competitions on this forum...when you actually aren't doing any real dog sport competitions.. Video titles I understand are a new concept and that's great for people who can't quite train for live events or for people/dogs with disabilities etc. but they are not considered a competitive event. If anything it's a way for people to make more money and to flaunt the fact that they got another "title" by doing a few manuevers with there dogs in there backyard/home training facility. Live competition is part of the package in dog sports, it's what makes dog sports difficult. APDT(American Pet Dog Training) Rally is not really considered a competitive event, Rally in itself is the most BASIC level you can be for "obedience-type" events...It even says on it's website it's a GREAT way to INTRODUCE people to dog obedience sports, is a great family-type event, or for teams "beginning there show career"....but that isn't the beginning level for you trying to work up to an actual Obedience trial..that is ALL you do is Rally..and that's FINE! But you try and ACT as if you are some big time sport trainer and it's just MADDENING!!! And you are participating in this agility debate coming off as if you are scouting out the next agility champion and have actually been competitive in the past but you're not even competing!! I don't doubt you are training for it...training and competing in a reputable organization and being able Q are two completely different things!! I know everyone has there opinion and everyone is welcome to it on these forums but your attitude is just astounding...(I apologize all...) Back to the topic at hand...
  20. Root Beer, I know I've heard you mention you don't do live competitions with a certain dog because he is to anxious..or has some other reactive problems..or that you have not been able to get to higher levels of performance sports because of your dogs distractibility/anxiety or something of that nature... If your dogs were blank slates then wouldn't you be suggesting that you made them that way?? By maybe encouraging certain behaviors or not making training adjustments, etc.. I am just baffled by this "clean slate" thing...I have never known a rescue to be a clean slate. Wonderful dogs they may be but most certainly not a clean slate, if anything LOADS more work. The thing about dogs is even if they are not doing anything they are alwasy learning SOMETHING..wether it be good or bad.. Even a dog that has been roaming the streets or chained up has been learning LOADS of things...not to trust people, self rewarding behaviors, instinct guarding, a more assetive or submissive attitude, fear of humans, etc. etc...and if in a home earlier with owner who maybe let the pup get away with everything that pup is learning LOADS of bad behavior and developing a general bad attitude, etc... Even brand new pups, getting one from a breeder, there upbringing up to that point is greatly influenced by there environment, there mom, how much socialization they get, etc....they are always learning SOMETHING..no such thing as a clean slate.
  21. Congradulations!! That is a big accomplishment! Was this Open A or B? Are you a newer handler??? Where do you train??
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